Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.
Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.
Backdrop filters were introduced with Firefox 103, which was released just 12 months ago. And it was a major pain for me that Firefox was the only browser I had to do workarounds for this function when Safari supported it since 2015 and chrome did since 2019.
Every platform has some problems. But it’s fairly rare for me to run into these nowadays. I still love using Firefox. But just because your experience is different than mine doesn’t mean that mine is outdated. It’s not meant to be a pushback against your comment, just sharing that there had been issues with Firefox in the past as well.
Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn’t allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.
Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.
Apple like to link updates to policy and software to ios updates when they could easily be added anytime. It’s just a thing they do. Maybe so they can tote it as a new feature for developers coming with ios 17
The enshittification of Opera sucks… I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.
Vivaldi isn’t just the spiritual successor, it’s built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.
I’ve got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won’t be switching over until Vivaldi doesn’t perform correctly.
Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
they’ve lived long enough to become the bad guys
Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.
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Example reason why Safari is shit: It’s Safari
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Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.
Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.
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Backdrop filters were introduced with Firefox 103, which was released just 12 months ago. And it was a major pain for me that Firefox was the only browser I had to do workarounds for this function when Safari supported it since 2015 and chrome did since 2019.
Every platform has some problems. But it’s fairly rare for me to run into these nowadays. I still love using Firefox. But just because your experience is different than mine doesn’t mean that mine is outdated. It’s not meant to be a pushback against your comment, just sharing that there had been issues with Firefox in the past as well.
Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good
Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn’t allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.
Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.
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https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/
I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.
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Apple like to link updates to policy and software to ios updates when they could easily be added anytime. It’s just a thing they do. Maybe so they can tote it as a new feature for developers coming with ios 17
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What about Opera GX? The mobile and Desktop versions.
Opera is chormium and is also spyware. If you want Opera but despooked check out Vivaldi
Opera is fucking evil regardless.
The enshittification of Opera sucks… I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.
Vivaldi isn’t just the spiritual successor, it’s built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.
I’ve got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won’t be switching over until Vivaldi doesn’t perform correctly.
So re-badged Chromium with closed source changes. Dependent on the upstream chromium. Doesnt seem like a good idea to me.
Hah you beat me to it. That’s why I said “spiritual,” because it’s still Chromium under the hood.
How do you know it’s dependent? Cant anyone make a fork of the engine?
The more you know
Still chromium underneath, just like the normal opera
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chromium, and not even open source(from what i know)
It is good for privacy, but quality of results has always felt a bit lacking to me
I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that’s worth
DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.
And I thought yahoo got it’s results from Google too… I probably have no idea though.
This is what DDG has to say about where their results come from:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
Spoiler alert: It’s not Google or Yahoo.
Interesting. And Wikipedia says yahoo gets it’s search data from Bing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search
That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.
I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.
I have the duck duck app on my phone, wasn’t sure if it was any different
I just looked it up and you’re right. Looks like they have a browser out now. My mistake.
I’m thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features
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