Last week, I turned on my PC, installed a Windows update, and rebooted to find Microsoft Edge automatically open with the Chrome tabs I was working on before the update. I don’t use Microsoft Edge regularly, and I have Google Chrome set as my default browser. Bleary-eyed at 9AM, it took me a moment to realize that Microsoft Edge had simply taken over where I’d left off in Chrome. I couldn’t believe my eyes.

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      And do this every time the system gets a major update because it puts all the crapware right back 🫣

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        Alternatively, buy or 🏴‍☠️KMSpico🏴‍☠️ yourself a pro license, and use group policy so it’s one and done. Microsoft has built in tools for almost all of this that don’t get rolled over by updates.


        Getting tired of people claiming that it’s impossible to decrap Windows.

        Obtuse? Sure! Features that shouldn’t be hidden behind an upgraded license? Hell fucking yes!

        Impossible? Fuck no, hell no.

        Learning basic Windows admin stuff, especially just the debloating/configuration things, is comparable in difficulty to switching to Linux.

        Don’t get me wrong, I love Linux and less reliance on Microsoft is awesome, but 90% of complaints about Windows come from people who don’t know how to configure it, how to use the tools Microsoft offers to decrap it, and how to make it work for them. They’ll hit similar problems with most Linux distros as soon as you go deeper than basic “office suite and web browser” usage.

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          you should use MAS instead of Pico
          https://massgrave.dev
          also, gpos are just templates for the registry, you can just look them up and apply manually (ehich is actually faster than finding anything in the official gpo editor), unless you’re a sysadmin and managing a whole fleet of machines (this is what gpo editor was actually made for) there’s no real need for it.

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            Well yes but GPOs overrule registry settings (if a user or the OS flips a registry setting, the GPO will switch it back on the next reboot).

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            you don’t need to write protect them, except options related to ms defender. (which can be removed as “malware” by the defender)
            they won’t get reset.

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                fuck gentoo, spending an entire week compiling shit is not something i want to do
                I’d rather stick with arch or fedora

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                  As a gentoo user, I’m always confused when people think gentoo is about multi-day compiles. Rebuilding the whole system takes a few hours (not that I ever need to do that), and binary packages are available for the big stuff if you want it. It’s basically just arch with more configuration options.

                  Not insisting you or anyone should run it, but it’s not as ridiculous as people seem to think.

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          I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’m just saying I shouldn’t have to decrap a piece of software I actually paid for. Over and over. Also, whenever they introduce some new crap it usually comes with new GPOs that also have to be enabled to remove it again. It’s like whack-a-mole.

          Obtuse? Sure! Features that shouldn’t be hidden behind an upgraded license? Hell fucking yes!

          This is what I was saying really. This crap should never have been there in the first place as it’s consumer-hostile.

          Impossible? Fuck no, hell no.

          I never said this :) I said it was annoying having to do it every time. Yeah I have pro. And I know what GPOs are. But really, you can’t expect an average consumer to do this. Also, it’s less work to just change things back manually every time than to figure all the GPOs needed. It’s really just super annoying that it happens in the first place. I expect software I buy to be made to help me, not work against me.

          And I never mentioned Linux in my post even though I use it myself. I know this is not a suitable alternative for the majority.

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          if its comparable in difficulty, why not just switch to a system that does what you want on the first place?

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          If you’ve got a few windows machines on your network and some sysadmin skills, you can run a Zentyal server to set up the GPOs. Syncs across your machines, and you can add a new one at any time that will also get de-shittified instantly.

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        I’ve been a lifelong windows user (well and DOS and whatever cartridge I used with the C64/C128) but I think it’s just time to uninstall the OS instead.

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          I would love to ditch windows but Linux desktop just isn’t ready

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            Depends on your needs. For a lot of users, I think the current Linux desktop experience is sufficient. If you have more specific needs, I can see why you’d stick with Windows.

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            It looks ready to me. Just need to figure out equivalents in software, many which I’m sure are similar or better.

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              It’s not just that, I had unending problems when I tried last and most of the help I received online was incredibly combative (“you shouldn’t want to do that”) or just asking me to switch distro and start again, of course the distro recommended was different each time

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                Which distro did you try last time? Just for future reference.

                I’ve installed Linux mint for a family member on a netbook back in 2008, and it worked splendid ootb. At least for surfing the web, watching streams and movies and playing Solitaire or something. But can’t expect too much from a netbook.

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                  Mint. Had problems with device drivers, with things I used for my job not having proper software support. With having to edit config based on a dream and a whole lot of guesswork just to make some peripherals work. Being told that a config setting I use on windows need not exist on Linux because I can just buy different hardware…

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                    For what it’s worth, I’ve found that windows and mac forums have similar issues if you approach them as an outsider.

                    I feel similar frustration when faced with trying to accomplish things on those OSes. Mac forums in particular are terrible about “you shouldn’t want to do that”.

                    It doesn’t solve your problem, just wanted to share that I’ve experienced it from the other side.

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            I think gnome at least is there now

            Not much you can’t do from a gui, it works pretty reliably

            Most people myself included use commandline package managers though, so I’m not sure what state graphical interfaces on them are in right now

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        I’ve started using Ansible to apply windows settings and manage packages because of this. It’s a bit of work to setup the playbooks but I just run it occasionally on my windows hosts to keep Microsoft from reverting settings or reinstalling junk.

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            These are all great. I use Librewolf and Mull on the regular. That said, I doubt any of these would be able to take up the mantle that Mozilla holds. The amount of resources and manpower needed to maintain and produce a modern browser that isn’t a fork is immense.

            Not to knock the devs who maintain these forks, but my guess is the majority of the work comes down to the devs at Mozilla. And if they fall, it’s likely these forks will as well, or at least will become an out of date mess.

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        Just want to mention Librewolf which is also FF based and has no telemetry out of the box, as well or ublock origin installed by default.

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      this is borked in win11, and got borked in win10 a month ago.
      my secondary win10 machine that had been edge-free for at least 4 years, just got edge back and since it was also disabled by policy, throws an error on every boot, since apparently that piece of crap tries to autostart for whatever reason (even if autostart option is disabled, it just starts in background, does something and closes a few minutes later)