The notion that there are no corruption issues in capitalist countries is also bizarre. Are you perpetually anglo-brained in that you only think of the western imperial core when you think about “capitalism”? You are ignoring most of the world.
20million people die to easily preventable things under capitalism around the world every single year. Hunger, clean water, curable disease. Things that we can solve immediately with the resources we already have simply by having leadership that decides to do so. The fact you think this is reasonable is frankly disgusting.
That’s a pretty big switcheroo there. Communism isn’t socialism, and the socialism as described in the link is called democratic socialism. I.e. democracy with redistribution. Which all Western countries practise. Your link reinforces my premise.
This is ideological illiteracy. Socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism. All communist states have been socialist states because no society has progressed far enough to reach communism.
Nobody claimed that. You keep making up straw men. We’d have a more productive discussion if you just replied to what I wrote.
The implication was that it is worse in communist countries.
That the rate of hunger has dropped precipitously while population has exploded in the most impoverished regions is testament to the incredible achievement of capitalism. Child mortality is at an all time low. You’re arguing that because things aren’t perfect, capitalism is bad. Clearly the world isn’t so black and white. No system of resource allocation is perfect, least of all communism.
Take China out of that data and it practically flatlines. It has not improved in capitalist countries, China is responsible for almost all of it.
But really this isn’t about capitalism. It’s about politics. We can choose to tax people more and redistribute locally and abroad. We choose that when we vote. Capitalism just ensures we have lots of resources and products and services.
If that were fucking possible under capitalism it would ALREADY BE HAPPENING. The parties presented to you under BOURGEOISE DEMOCRACY are BOURGEOISE parties. They are not parties of the people, they are parties of the bourgeoisie and the entire system is designed to maintain that. When your only options are parties of the bourgeoisie the outcome is that the winner represents the bourgeoisie.
The only solution to this problem is to overthrow the existing bourgeoise democracy and install a proletarian democracy instead, the result of which being that all the parties under the proletarian democracy represent the proletariat. This is what a socialist state is institutionally. The antithesis of a capitalist state institutionally.
You claim me to be “ideologically illiterate,” then go on to agree with me that socialism isn’t communism. That doesn’t speak well of your reading comprehension or intentions.
Two sides of the same coin. Socialists all understand that socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism.
I didn’t make any claims about corruption. My claims are with outcomes, which I maintain are worse under communism.
Prove it. I cited research that shows you are wrong, you’re simply ignoring the facts.
Child mortality has trended down over the last century in almost every capitalist nation, not just China. Even the really corrupt African nations.
Wow one data point! Incredible. Now do deaths from starvation, lack of clean water and curable disease. 20million die per year.
No, and this is the central argumentative failure under this dogma. Maybe people just don’t want mass redistribution? Maybe what you want isn’t what everyone else wants? Is that really so hard to accept as a possible reality? The Frankfurt School accepted this in the 1930s under the premise that “people’s lives are just too good under capitalism to ever want to move to communism.”
Holy shit your argument is “I don’t want these people to live so it’s ok”. Colonial brained monster.
Holy fucking shit you just called the US “democratic socialism”? We’re done here. You are uneducated and completely out of your fucking mind and have no idea what any of these words mean. I’m not wasting my time anymore.
You’re wrong. Socialism objectively provides a higher physical quality of life to its citizens when compared to capitalism at an equal level of development.
The notion that there are no corruption issues in capitalist countries is also bizarre. Are you perpetually anglo-brained in that you only think of the western imperial core when you think about “capitalism”? You are ignoring most of the world.
20million people die to easily preventable things under capitalism around the world every single year. Hunger, clean water, curable disease. Things that we can solve immediately with the resources we already have simply by having leadership that decides to do so. The fact you think this is reasonable is frankly disgusting.
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This is ideological illiteracy. Socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism. All communist states have been socialist states because no society has progressed far enough to reach communism.
The implication was that it is worse in communist countries.
Take China out of that data and it practically flatlines. It has not improved in capitalist countries, China is responsible for almost all of it.
If that were fucking possible under capitalism it would ALREADY BE HAPPENING. The parties presented to you under BOURGEOISE DEMOCRACY are BOURGEOISE parties. They are not parties of the people, they are parties of the bourgeoisie and the entire system is designed to maintain that. When your only options are parties of the bourgeoisie the outcome is that the winner represents the bourgeoisie.
The only solution to this problem is to overthrow the existing bourgeoise democracy and install a proletarian democracy instead, the result of which being that all the parties under the proletarian democracy represent the proletariat. This is what a socialist state is institutionally. The antithesis of a capitalist state institutionally.
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Two sides of the same coin. Socialists all understand that socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism.
Prove it. I cited research that shows you are wrong, you’re simply ignoring the facts.
Wow one data point! Incredible. Now do deaths from starvation, lack of clean water and curable disease. 20million die per year.
Holy shit your argument is “I don’t want these people to live so it’s ok”. Colonial brained monster.
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Does not exist in practice. Democratic socialists are people that believe that socialism can be achieved by winning within bourgeoise-democracy without revolution. They have been murdered by the bourgeoisie whenever they come close to that. I strongly suggest reading the Jakarta Method and also listening to Allende’s last words broadcast via radio while the airforce were bombing the bridges as the US-backed coup raged around him.
Holy fucking shit you just called the US “democratic socialism”? We’re done here. You are uneducated and completely out of your fucking mind and have no idea what any of these words mean. I’m not wasting my time anymore.
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