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  • BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.worldtoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldPhilosophy meme
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    9 months ago

    I expect this response despite the indication of its issue. Were nazi’s morally rigtheous in gassing millions of innocent people to death because they believed so? At that time that was their ‘progress.’ Independent of other socities or yourself having any issue, it’s simply fine to say that because a nazi thinks it’s fine, it is fine?

    I don’t think so, and I don’t think that injustice is dependant on my preference to view it that way. It just is wrong.









  • BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.worldtoFediverse@lemmy.worldLemmy Canvas 2023 has ended!
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    11 months ago

    The non human animal thing is about the confusing attitudes & behaviors humans have towards them, and how they are unequally applied based on arbitrary traits or nebulous concepts. In other words, in consideration of those individuals who desire to not be used or exploited, why everyone currently exploiting them needs to consider changing those attitudes & behaviors.







  • What you are describing is reaction to stimuli. You also describe gas releasing from tomatoes. Plants definitely have some form of biological intelligence but Vegans don’t care about that and that’s my point. Your comment doesn’t address OP’s question because what you are talking about has nothing to do with Veganism. This is why I got so dang frustrated. So many of these commenters were not in a position to answer OP’s question because they don’t know what Veganism is or what Vegans value.

    Biological intelligence is not the same as having a subjective experience. If there is no subject, there is no one to grant rights to. There is no one ever experiencing pain or pleasure etc. You could at best take an agnostic position on plant consciousness. As we understand it today, consciousness is an emerging property of life with brains/nervous systems. In any case you are probably and hopefully wholly uncaring of tomatoes being harvested, and in that respect it’s hard for me to discern your point of discussion as good faith.


  • Holy shit this thread is full of dipshits that don’t know anything about veganism. A bunch of even dumber fucks think plants are sentient or feel pain. You animal abuse apologist should actually take some time to understand why people are vegan.

    Anyway OP, for this particular question you’re going to find two vegan camps.

    • Camp 1 - the majority of vegans - No brain. No conscious experience. Not sentient. There is no subject, so there is no one to grant rights to. You can eat jellyfish - but like every other vegan on the planet I’d ask why the fuck you want to eat then instead of literally anything else that’s vegan. Then we remember that, it’s just a gotcha question. Maybe focus on questions that seeks to reduce and reject the trillion+ other victims people not being vegan creates.

    • Camp 2 - the minority of vegans - Isn’t plant matter not vegan >:(