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Octobass, nobody suspects a thing 🎶

Oh no! What will I do now without the prescient geopolitical insight of the Chattanooga Evening Telegraph?

Boy do I have a movie for you

Literally advocating for XIX century-style Dickensian child labor.
Yeah Imma go with troll as well

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Welp, that’s certainly an opinion

Nope. Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance.

You’ll have to excuse the lack of elaboration but I’m kinda done of repeating myself when it comes to this topic.

You should ditch all qualms about losing the moral high ground over nazis. They don’t give a fuck, and neither should you.

Come on, don’t make me tap the sign post the Sartre quote, you know, the one that goes:

Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

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And why is he trusted? I sure as fuck don’t trust him

It’s crazy to me how so many things follow the Pareto principle

From Greece to Thailand and it ended up in Fuerteventura? Was the Suez Canal not available?

i dont think repeatedly accusing me of being disingenuous, arguing in bad faith or putting up straw-men is warranted, and it doesnt really give me the idea that youre actually interested in good faith arguments
it feels exactly like reddit-style toxicity, and i dont think its fair to respond with that when i dont see that sort of thing in my comment

If that’s your take from my comment then I won’t be the one telling you you’re wrong but the language I used tried to specifically avoid this. For example, “Don’t be disingenuous” “to do x would be arguing in bad faith” “to imply x is purposefully disingenuous at worst” all avoid directly accusatory language like “You are being disingenuous” “You’re arguing in bad faith” and so on.
Maybe the difference between the two wasn’t conveyed clearly enough and that’s my mistake.
As a side note, I’m not actually interested in arguments, either good or bad faith. I think I made that clear with my first comment (Yet here I am, I know right)

it doesnt seem at all like folks are spending more effort complaining about tankies than fascists, and the way youre describing this site is so far removed from my experience with it that im entirely convinced its just specific to Kbin

That’s why my first comments were always referred as being my personal experience (I didn’t bother to keep repeating “IME”). Two persons can have totally different experiences and interact with very different kinds of posts in an organic way, and that’s valid.
Although I will say several people have replied to my previous comment stating they’ve had similar experiences regarding finding lots of anti-tankie memes and circlejerking, not that it adds much validity to my personal experience and opinions, but it means it’s not just me or that I came up with it.
I don’t really know how much of it is limited to Kbin since that’s as far as my interaction with the Fediverse currently goes.

we are specifically talking about tankies, which are hard-line marxists who shamelessly support inhumane regimes, on lemmygrad, a terminally online space which usually supports the current russian imperialist oligarchy

You are using the flawed logic of “all Lemmygraders are tankies ergo all tankies are Lemmygraders”. Like I said before, most of the posts and comments are addressing tankies as a whole, and using the term interchangeably with the people on Lemmygrad to mean one and the same. Maybe you aren’t consciously doing it (I don’t think you are), maybe you just want to discuss the specifics of the Lemmygrad community, which I’m not interested in at all. But you have to recognize this is being done and that it effectively thwarts any attempts at honest and civil discussion, it further muddies the waters.
Because I take no interest whatsoever in Lemmygrad and Lemmygrad-related discussion, but I’m quite bothered and annoyed at the posts calling out and complaining about tankies, most of the time referring to the Lemmygrad people with that name. And like I said, others and I have run into posts like this.

I’m at a complete loss at how you took any of that from my comment, and i genuinely dont know how to respond to this or address it because I dont know what its responding to

I’m kinda baffled at how you could not see the conflation of the terms tankie and Lemmygrader, I’m gonna insist in that this is not a direct accusation (“Implying x would be y“) or something that I took from your comment. But rather a reality that must be acknowledged because it is happening and it is being done, and it effectively affects any and all kind of attempts at discussion in a negative way. (Are we mad about Lemmygrad, or are we mad about tankies? The difference is quite important)

I feel like we are not going to reach common ground in that last point so all that is left is for me to wish you a nice day.

there is a single post about lemmygrad

If you check the front page semi-regularly I’m sure you will have seen there’s a constant influx, to put it lightly, of memes complaining nonstop about Lemmygrad, tankies, tankie ideology and so on. I’m far from a very active user and I’ve been able to notice.
Sure, there are news articles being posted about fascism, but an equal response? Don’t be disingenuous. Where are all the memes about rising fascism? All the same outrage in the comments? The response is far from symmetrical.

were specifically talking about the marxists on these terminally online spaces that support the current russian imperial oligarchy.

Are we though? Cause most of the posts and comments seem to be addressing tankies as a whole. Not recognizing that these two are being used interchangeably to mean one and the same would be arguing in bad faith.

And implying Lemmygrad is an accurate representation of the current geopolitical positions of Marxist-Leninist communities in real life is laughable at best and a purposefully disingenuous strawman at worst.

I’m asking you, now directly, to stop quoting me in every single comment. Jeez dude.

Well for one I’m grateful to read at least someone thought it was a reasonable opinion because I’ve seem to have gotten a personal record of people mad.

I thought we could be done with the Reddit-style attitude towards downvotes (especially with votes being public and all), I’m talking about people who are not even in the conversation and just happen to be lurking and downvote because they don’t like your comment or whatever. Such a lame thing to do.

If you disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.

I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.

Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it’s because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don’t know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.

I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there’s a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)

I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”

Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU

It took me only half a day of never ending beans posts to filter out lemmyshitpost, I say good riddance.

Also worth reminding that the whole “carbon footprint” thing was made up by Shell, with that one and similar tactics they have effectively manipulated working class people into believing they are responsible (and guilty) of things like CO2 emissions, global warming, car-reliant infrastructure…

Which obviously doesn’t mean we can’t take action or that one should buy a diesel car and take it to go anywhere because it’s Shell and BP who should stop profiteering from the impending climate catastrophe, and expecting these corporations to join the efforts to control global warming and shift our transport infrastructures out of their own free will would be very naïve. But those changes have to come from a structural point, rather than individual.