No. They are two different projects.
Lineage is about providing a Google free version of android AOSP and supporting as many phones as possible.
Graphene is about making a privacy centric version of android that can run Google apps sandboxed. Graphene only supports pixel phones.
Lineage is not about providing a google free version of Android. It does not contain google apps, for licensing reasons, probably also to let the user choose. But it does not go further, all the other stuff like captive portal check, agps, dns etc still uses google servers. It’s not “degoogled” in any way. Love lineage btw but we need to be aware of what it is and isn’t.
I wonder where this misconception is coming from, it’s the second time in the last few days I’ve seen it. I can’t remember custom roms ever coming with the Google apps preinstalled, you’d always need to flash them separately before the first boot (thanks XDA). That’s why we have MindTheGApps.
It used to be that Cyanogenmod (the precursor project to LineageOS) shipped with Google apps pre installed until they got a cease and desist from Google.
I can’t remember custom roms ever coming with the Google apps preinstalled, you’d always need to flash them separately before the first boot
Many of them do these days. Which is a bit annoying when you want a no-gapps variant and can’t find it.
That’s interesting! They aren’t supposed to do that though, right? It goes against Google’s policy.
Probably because the lack of google apps is the most noticeable difference to stock android?
Sure, but installing them is a step in the LineageOS installation guide.
Is there still a good guide on how to fully degoogle lineage?
Degoogle is the wrong word for lineage because it hasn’t been “engoogled” in the first place, it doesn’t ship with Google services at all. If you simply install the base ROM you don’t have Google.
The question is if you want to replace Google with mock Google services so certain apps relying on GMS still work, or if you want to replace it completely with FOSS alternatives.
Does graphene allow banking apps ? Does it trip safety net ?
I think GrapheneOS isn’t made for that purpose. It’s made to be safe and do privacy well. I think signature spoofing, rooting to circumvent things etc are opposing requirements. I don’t think everything works. There are websites and other comments with more info. My Banking TAN App works, though. Google Pay doesn’t.
So google pay doesn’t work. That’s a bastard
Not to start an argument but why would one want to be using Google Pay after going through the process of de-googling their phone? Seems counterproductive.
Fair point. Is there an alternative to Google pay. I don’t use a card and pretty much refuse to use anywhere that requires care or cash
There are a few different ones. I highly recommend doing your own research to find one you’re comfortable with; reading multiple different reviews of each and whatnot. But here’s a site specialising in finding alternatives to services
Every alternative except Apple and Samsung pay, which are device specific and proprietary, seem to just be crypto. No NFC FOSS purchases.
So many cards have an nfc chip in them now. Just tap the physical card.
I don’t want to tap the card. Point of preference. I don’t have a wallet. I have a phone.
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And a few non-pixel devices, though it’s incredibly short list. Expansion was to start last fall, afaik.
I’d love to see this come to fruition. I’ve wanted Graphene since I first heard about it but refuse to pay the Google tax for admission and live with all the restrictions a Google device comes with
Google tax is a definite pain in the ass, but with graphene those restrictions no longer apply
By “Google tax” I mean having to buy one of their devices and the “restrictions” I’m referring to are the lack of headphone jack and micro SD card slot. They may mean nothing to you or others but they’re both bare minimum requirements for myself and others. For as long as they aren’t available on Pixel devices, I will never consider a Pixel.
I also hate the ass-backwards hole punch camera but that seems to be even more of a losing battle than the other common sense features I mentioned.
I’ve always found it both weird and ironic that GrapheneOS is only available for Pixel phones when the whole principle of the project is basically “we don’t trust Google”.
The pixel device is (as far as I’m aware) the only mainstream device that allows you to re-lock the boot loader.
Otherwise, once a phone is cracked, it remains cracked. I’m not entirely sure what that buys, but that’s why they do it
Most brands allow relocking bootloader. But after that you with be only able to use stock rom. Pixel lets you lock the bootloader with a different signature, so in this example you are basically able to lock it to only boot grapheneos and nothing else.
They also have an accessible secure element that graphene uses a lot. I’d recommend listening to the podcast interviews with graphene staff
Security. You’re caught with your pants down if you have any personal data on a phone with an unlocked bootloader. All data is effectively plaintext, all security is nullified with trivial difficulty. This is the actual worst-case scenario for journalists, whistleblowers, or anyone who is or may become under surveillance for any reason.
That’s wrong, data is still usually encrypted.
A locked bootloader ‘just’ prevents tampering with the OS. You’re only pwned when using the phone after it has been manipulated.
Yeah but if you have the phone with an unlocked bootloader and anyone gains access to it (physical or otherwise)…
This isn’t true at all. Daniel Micay has stated multiple times the goal isn’t to degoogle, it’s to provide a secure and private OS that’s actually usable. They worked tirelessly to integrate GMS compatibility layer and give users the choice to install sandboxed Google play for app compatability.
GrapheneOS has said countless times that by using Linux and other open source softwares that Google contributes massive amounts of code, you ARE inherently trusting them to not be malicious https://nitter.1d4.us/GrapheneOS/status/1672998518573740033#m
Google play does what it says and they are very open about what data they collect, which is obviously a lot. GrapheneOS stops much of this collection through sandboxing, where you can deny any permissions you desire.
G provides a phone that is incredibly friendly to developers (as friendly as it can get without free hookers and blow), in all aspects, which makes sense considering they want devs to adopt android as their platform for apps and stuff. This also goes into things like security vulnerabilies/research, and also alternative android-based systems. It’s humorous but not at all ironic. Be friendly to devs, and make money hand over fist because of it.
It’s logical for both, just for very different motives.
What happened to LineageOS?
Nothing. What makes you think something happened to it?
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I ran sailfish on my 1+1 back in the day for a while. It was a nice OS but the app ecosystem was just horrible and their android compatibility just never worked right for me.
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Yeah, I feel the same about Firefox OS, Ubuntu mobile, Web OS, and Meego. I wish we had a third option at least, that was a little more viable for people that have a handful of apps for widgets and stuff. At this point I think that any real contender is going to have to bake android compatibility in to hope to make a dent in the market at all. Too many normal people expect to be able to use their phone to control some gadgets they have bought, smart stuff and iot gear. Without rewriting all the various apps to control those gadgets people are going to be hesitant to try anything else going forward IMHO.
It’s still very much alive! Still getting regular updates on my S10 and even security updates for my OnePlus 3t.
I’m using LineageOS 20 right now, waiting on 21. I’ve been getting weekly updates since I installed it, so things seem fine for them.
Also on Lineage and loving it
LineageOS is still in development. While there’s no official Android 14 (LineageOS 21) yet, there are development builds available, and LOS 20 is still receiving regular official weekly updates.
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Aren’t they differing systems? Graphene was mostly pixel / Google devices. Whereas lineageos was a hunch of different devices. Lineageos was an evolution from cryomod
