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        I think they are either refering to child labor in cobalt mines, which was used for Tesla power elements, or to his father’s emerald mines. There’s no evidence of direct people-owning slavery in either case, still a lot of shady and immoral (and probably illegal) practices to earn money in both of them.

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          The entire premise behind this post is equally as out of context. China uses patents as blueprints. In Spacex, patenting things is counterproductive. In terms of US competition it is not.

          The guy is still a dick and he does manipulate markets. I would also argue that he doesn’t have a case here. All that being said, being misleading does not help you win folks to your side. I thought we were trying to leave this stuff behind on Reddit.

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        His parents owned an emerald mine during apartheid where the working conditions for miners (allblack, of course) could accurately be described as slavery. He was literally walking around with emeralds in his pockets like some fucked up little prince.

        Anyway, that’s how he got his startup capital.

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          As some context during aparteid it was not uncommon for black South Africans to make 300 to 500 Rand a month. Yes, you are all reading that right. 15 to 35 USD a month.

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          There’s no need for anyone in the western world to frown upon that. Literally all of us started out with the wealth that our ancestors violently extracted from colonies.

          Just because you didn’t personally inherit millions doesn’t change the structural fact. All our industries jump-started by getting stuff from colonies. It was a big rush among the colonizers, and those who didn’t do successful colonize are not among “first world” countries today.

          Musk is guilty of much, but his sin in benefiting from his parents sins is different from yours only in scale.

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            Except I don’t deny my privilege, which is on such another scale as to be in a completely different world.

            Besides, he doesn’t just pretends to be self-made, he downright believes that his success comes from him being a genetically superior genius. He is consciously siring as much offspring as he possibly can (10 so far, 9 surviving, one of which publicly disowned him) to provide the world with future heroes. To call him a regular level narcissist would be akin to call a tiger a slightly oversized house cat.

            Lastly, I refuse to buy Nestlé products because some of them were made using slavery. Musk made his first fortune on the backs of slaves, treats his current employees as similarly to slaves as he can get away with and subjects them to both racist and sexual abuse.

            I may have the privilege of being born a cishet white male in a rich country, but that does NOT mean that I’m the equivalent of Apartheid Emerald Boy. Scale matters and immense differences in scale matter immensely.

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            I agree with you in as much as “don’t hate the player hate the game” but at the same time, this is not basketball. This is people knowingly exploiting others. Who cares if “its the norm”?

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              Admittedly it is not 100% true for all first world countries, when we’re discussing outside Europe it’s a slightly more complex. For America it was not colonialism but imperialism, but that doesn’t change the moral argument. Those states in Asia that are first world I don’t know enough to talk confidently (and with that you know I’m not ChatGPT)

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    I mean there was even a Movie about how Zuck likes to get his business ideas from other people. Elmo should’ve watched it. Not that it hits the wrong person tho.

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      Elmo has his own way of doing things. He throws fat stacks at smart people to make great things, and then take credit by saying it was his idea. The reason Twitter is failing is because there’s no smart guy to throw money at, so the only trick in his book doesn’t work anymore.

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        He worked hard to get rid of all smart guys who previously worked on Twitter. It was an astonishing move for someone who definitely has managed tech companies before.

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      You mean we should close our eyes on the dirty deeds of billionaires?

      Feel free to live in a cave.

      I won’t.

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        Not at all. But internet is overloaded with their shit. Is like watching the sun constantly and burning your eyes. Live goes far beyond of these creepers