• MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Something needs to die for you to survive, what and how much is up to your individual tolerance for input/output ratio.

    Death and suffering is a natural state of being in nature. I can reduce it, but I still need to survive.

    I hate fishing. I don’t need to fish in my current station. If I did, I would fish.

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      Exactly. Pretty common misconception about vegan ideology. Vegans don’t think people in developing nations have a moral imperative to change their ways because they don’t have an alternative.

      I don’t need to eat meat, so I don’t.

      • Takatakatakatakatak@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I genuinely wasn’t aware of this. Have never heard that argument made.

        So their position is basically that as soon as you have a sufficiently developed supply chain to buy refrigerated lab-grown or fake meat and get it home before it smells like a rotten protein shake, that’s what you should do? But until that happens, killing animals is ok?

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          So, like, your trip into town, do you take the short bus right through death valley to get there, or do you walk?

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          Nah, you don’t necessarily need lab grown or fake meat to have a healthy delicious varied vegan diet. Legumes like chickpeas, different kinds of beans and lentils as well as soy products can provide enough protein and variety if you put some effort into your cooking. You do need B12 supplements on a vegan diet though, as well as some specific nuts and seeds to cover omega 3. So those can be a problem if there’s not a lot of variety in the stores near you and you can’t order it online for whatever reason.

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              I’ve gotten in so many heated debate on that one, as someone who grew up on a dairy farm. People see the gross factory farms in the US and get incredibly offended at me “lying” by claiming that plenty of farms are not like that, and it just comes down to ethical sourcing.

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              Maybe not necessarily the dairy cow herself, but she needs to be pregnant about once per year so she doesn’t stop producing milk. That means that the calves inevitably need to be slaughtered (as well as older dairy cows) or else the herd would keep growing year after year.

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          It’s about reducing harm imho. So if you can reduce overall harm by cutting one of your friend’s arm, do that.

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      Yup that’s why I still buy clothes from sweatshops with kids working in them.

      In all seriousness you’re right, but I believe people have a much lower tolerance than they think they do, but they just avoid thinking about it

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      In my experience I need to kill 1 large cow every 2 years to personally survive. That’s good, because that’s about my personal limit for how long I’m happy to have a cow in my freezer without charging it rent.

      I need to kill an absolutely obscene number of avocados, tomatoes and other fruits and vegetable too otherwise that cow will not last me 2 years. Those are the screams that truly bother me. The daily cries of my vegetables going to slaughter.