Lemmy is a clean slate. Let’s leave the Android/iOS butthurt shit on Reddit for as long as we can.
Please, I’m iOS user but I enjoy reading advances of android because both systems push each other to be better. We don’t need toxic BS here too.
Exactly. I use both along with macOS, Windows, Linux. All have their pros and cons and all work well. Most of the rant comments are just BS.
I’ve had bot android and iOS over the years. Love them both for their own reasons. Currently rocking a pixel 7.
Interesting, so windows vs mac os didn’t cause a flame war but Android vs IOS does.
Possibly because the cost for entry to macOS is higher than with iOS. Most people are able to run a Windows computer at very little cost, and will never have any interaction with a Mac. Meanwhile, iPhones and Android phones are (broadly) on a par in terms of cost.
I will say though, speaking as someone who’s used Macs since 2007, as much as I’m no fan of how Windows works, I won’t give anyone shit for doing so. But I used to get quite a bit of vitriol for my choice of computer.
Meanwhile, iPhones and Android phones are (broadly) on a par in terms of cost. This is only true if talking about mid-high end phones (and probably only high-end), you can get really cheap Android phones, incredibly cheaper than Iphones.
Many people just have phones now.
It’s always interesting to see people turn something as universal as a phone into a competition.
If you’re willing to spend the money, you can make yourself look silly by spending thousands on either one.
Phones have become such a staple of modern existence, it’s about the same as wearing shoes.
Shit. I just realized they turn shoes into that, too
Sneakerheads are a whole different breed
the windows vs mac shit is also toxic nonsense and you know it.
I was gonna comment that this exact post was made a few days ago with the only difference being Mac vs Windows instead. Seems you’re already aware, and you’re just farming. Nice.
Because nobody has windows user as a core part of their identity.
Apple user downvotes be like
Can you install this IPA?
Apple: Noooo! You have to install apps from my App Store!
Unless of course, you pay $100 and call yourself a developer
I love it. I made an Android app in 2011 and I still sometimes load up the .apk for nostalgia.
It was the first app I ever made and although some functions no longer work (due to 3rd party SDKs and APIs that no longer exist), it’s mostly still pretty flawless.
According to my Google Play dashboard, there are even some people that still use it!
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Ha, I was not expecting anyone to be that interested in it! I’ve checked my Google Play console and it turns out I unpublished it a while ago to stop new downloads.
The app was called “Gaffer for Giffgaff”. For those of you who aren’t from the United Kingdom, “Giffgaff” is a mobile phone network over here.
Back when I made this app, the network had a real problem with onboarding. The APN settings weren’t included on new Android handsets by default as of yet (which they are today) and most new users would have to type them in manually. There were apps that input these settings before I started developing mine, but these were not very user friendly even by 2011 standards! In later revisions of the app, I even paid £100 to have a professional voice actor record some lines to guide users through the setup process which I uploaded here: https://m.soundcloud.com/bitbrit/gaffer-for-giffgaff-apn-setup (I don’t know why I thought uploading this to SoundCloud at the time was something to do. Guess I was just proud of it?)
As well as onboarding, the network had issues with reliability. My app included push notifications so that the user could connect to WiFi and quickly figure out if the Giffgaff network was down or if their phone was not working properly. At first I started sending these notifications myself but after my app gained some attention, the Giffgaff forum moderators began sending the notifications themselves (although I seem to remember that I wasn’t allowed to tell anyone about this at the time).
These days, features like push notifications aren’t considered to be that fancy. When I was making this app, though, it was a pretty big deal. I was sending notifications at scale and doing it on basically 0 budget, as an individual.
Anyway, enough background information. I’ve gone through the app and taken some screenshots. I’ve also included the .APK file however I would recommend that you don’t install this (I am, after all, just some guy on the internet and not a trustworthy source) - but it’s there in case you feel adventurous.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14m-d-uADZZvFeEAkMNtYwvyfxoIeMDpq
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Android removed 32 bit support in the newest version. Maybe see what the compatibility is after that releases
Sideloaded 32bit apps will still run on 14. It’s only dropping 32bit from Play Store.
For most apps, this doesn’t matter at all. The vast majority of Android apps are fully Java/Kotlin, which is architecture-agnostic.
It’s only when you need to use C libraries where architecture matters, and most things using C libraries are games, which already target 64-bit.
This man APKs.
Hopefully they it’s like Windows with 64bit and 32bit support
I mean Android de facto is the Windows of mobile phones
Lots of games in Google Play Store are no longer possible to purchase because they are “incompatible with newer versions of Android”.
Yeah, that’s the Play Store though, not Android itself.
I made some Android apps back in the day, so I know what’s happening behind the scenes. Mostly it’s that Google updates requirements for the apps. Every once in a while, the requirements go up (e.g. “must be targeted for at least Android Version/API Level X”, or “Must follow design guideline Y”). The main point for this is that they don’t want abandoned apps cluttering the Play Store.
Old apps tend to not support newer features, e.g. the user being able to allow/deny single permissions. On older Android versions you could either allow all permissions or not use the app, while nowadays you can just pick and choose which permissions to allow.
If you install an older app, it won’t support this pick and chose system. Stuff like that.
But all that is just Google/Play Store. If you download the APK from somewhere else (e.g. F-Droid) you can totally run apps from 2010 on a modern phone.
That’s probably because the Play Store has policies on what apps need to do to keep being downloadable - if you acquire an APK, there’s a really good chance that it might still be installable.
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Not yet, but the EU is gonna force Apple to allow sideloading apps.
15 years and the EU has to force Apple to allow users to sideload apps of their choice… To have something we’ve had from the start on Android.
And for those who want to complain about what sideloading brings… No, nobody is going to force you to sideload apps on your precious iDevice. It’s just preferable to have the option in the first place.
Although Android is made by Google, it is after all cousin-brother of Linux with the same advantages
If it wasn’t for locked devices and proprietary drivers, it would be a nice experience, very close to linux.
If you have root access it isn’t a problem, then you can use alternatives, like GrapheneOS, Ubuntu Touch, CalyxOS or similar. The only problem is if you need an official app, since they are usually only available for Android or iOS. Then the only are Replicant or LinageOS, these are “degoogled” Android forks
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GrapheneOS and CalyxOS run Android apps though
Android and iOS have different philosophies regarding updates.
Android phones often only receive OS updates for a short time and are then used for many years more.
iOS devices usually receive OS updates for a much longer time.
This means, Android app devs have to make their apps more compatible, because otherwise they will exclude most users.
iOS devs on the other hand often only support the newest version of iOS, so if your device doesn’t get new OS updates any more, you can toss it.
iOS devs on the other hand often only support the newest version of iOS, so if your device doesn’t get new OS updates any more, you can toss it.
And the newest versions of iOS only run smoothly on the newest iPhone hardware, so if you want your phone to keep running quickly and smoothly you have to keep updating to the newest hardware. Planned obsolescence in action.
Except the devs who made games for kids. Those guys still support iOS 10 because kids often receive hand-me-downs from their parents.
reminds me of that time i installed a really old version of opera on my android tablet
Your only compatibility wall is the play store. If you’ve got the apk you’re installing 9/10 times. Apk repos are great.
This is funny considering Android 14 may be sunsetting support for 32-bit apps in favor of exclusive 64-bit apps, which will likely break a lot of backward compatability. Whoopsie doodles.
32bit apps will still run, they will just need to be sideloaded.
Not true, the Pixel 7 has already removed 32-bit support. It’s a 64-bit exclusive OS and won’t let you sideload 32-bit apps.
That’s not exclusive to the OS. The Pixel 6 running Android 13 can install 32 bit apps, but the Pixel 7 running Android 13 cannot.
So there’s a possibility that Android 14 will still allow 32 bit apps on all other devices other than the Pixel 7. Pixel 7 and onwards might be where Google forces out 32 bit apps, which personally isn’t a huge deal, because every app I have is 64 bit.
Fake News, actually. Too many times werethere apps that failed to install because they were too old, even though there were some that worked. There’s the opposite problem though, with some old phones that have old android versions, some apps are too new to install. iOS gets frequent updates so this isn’t much of an issue, except if your device is way, way too old. I’m an avid android supporter, and I’ve never had an iOS device myself cause I detest it for other reasons, but I’ve gotta say both platforms are equally problematic on this regard. iOS has no backwards compatibility, android has no forwards compatibility.
And than there is netflix, which refuses to run on android phones with an unlocked bootloader, not even using a custom ROM, just an unlocked bootloader
Works on my phone.
You just need Universal SafetyNet Fix and all is fine.
I have an app that was made like 11 years ago that hasn’t been updated once that I still use daily lol. It’s a time clock with postal time on it. We go by clicks instead of minutes on a 24 hour clock. So 7:49 pm would be 19:82, hundredths. It’s a pain to convert sometimes. We use scanners to clock in/out and move functions and the scanners are in minutes… it’s fuxking dumb but…
The app still works like a charm :D lololol
I kinda like that system!
I love being able to just spinn up a simple app for a niche problem that nobody else will ever experience.
